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My friend works for Deloitte & Touche and they charge $550/hr and he gets $75/hr.. so what? And he is USC.
Do you know the rates top consulting company charges? they normally starts from $400/hr+ in Accenture, PWC, KPMG, E&Y Etc and their employee's do not get paid more than 20%. Its a practice around the world.




Check what they are paying. I know a company which charges $110-$130 ph to the client and payes around $30K for the employee in L1. Is it good business practice...? Not only desi consulting cos...these a$$ also the reason we are in this mess today. Just imagine when the antis comes to know that 30K pa salary....

I cannot agree more with the posts from lord_labaku and kuhelica2000. In 2000, during the startup boom I used to work with so-called "experts" in say java that would have a inflated resume, but absolutely no knowledge of what is happening. I am sure based on how their resume was structured, all of them are in the EB2 queue (I am in EB3 BTW). Last year in Nov, a group of us were talking about GC wait times when a friend who was about to apply for labor quoted..."but I do not need to worry, I am applying in Eb2". I have seen posts on this site where people have solely focussed on EB2. If EB2 becomes current, then these dudes would stop supporting IV....

Removing the limited quota per country seems to be the ideal solution. But it would help if we do not focus only on the category our application is in. It would help if , after some of us get our GC, we still continue our support for IV.

Be careful what you are talking on public forum.

Please also keep in mind, some personal experience can not be generalized.

Another thing i found out about these amway guys is they lie about
credentials of their upsells and about themselves just to show them as superior and successful in life, i know few friends of mine who though a big failure in the technical job they do (one has been kicked out of the job because he did not knew his work) but he keeps posting patents on free internet sites and writes technical blogs (most of them copied from different internet sites) just to show his downlines how bigshot he is.
Complete wastage of time and money, do it if you want to alienate all your existing friends and family and if you did decide to join , be ready to be brainwashed by the new friends and group that you are going to have by making everybody else beside that group as a loser.

By the Way when they introduce you to their boss ,their boss usually shows you a real check of 8-9K, is it usually a fake check given to them as part of the kit

If you don't believe what IV does, why are you wasting your time here....I see that you are totally jobless....

I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.

In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!

Dear Friend:
The frustration that all these people state is because of the bitter experience most of them had. The whole business model of Amway is created to con people to get into business. When you understand that part.....every person who has some contact with Amway will have some disgust from their past.

Btw....if you see most of these guys arguing do not have much to do.(including me.:-) ).......this is one masala discussion and everybody is jumping in and passing their time....Nobody is intentionally ridiculing them...all people are trying to say is BEWARE!!! Njoy this discussion and move on buddy...:-)

This is an old artical I was able to dig up. These LTTE members have been living in colombo for 15 years. Its hard for the military to pin point terrorist among so many tamils. That's why they asked them to justify their stay in colombo. Its not a pretty situation, if the military doesn't question then the LTTE would have already taken over the capital.

This is just one incident, so far military have found many times, large number of weapons are explosives from houses in Colombo.

http://www.lankalibrary.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2818

I still believe in EB2 will try to catch up current by next October.

My analysis shows a similar result although it could be off by about 6 months. I was a little surprised to see a dip in LC approvals in 2005 and there was a recent news report that 2008 also shows a similar dip indicating the declining incentives to keeping jobs/people here. If the current trend continues, we should see more visas available for the backlog reduction and more GC approvals should come in 2H09.

Thanks for the response in advance.

The question is:
1) Can a husband (on H1) own a business and sponsor (H1 and greencard) his wife to work for the same business?
2) Can an Indian company start LLC or any other kind of firm and own a business and sponsor someone- more specifically my dad (a major stake holder in Indian company) and this indian company starts some kind of LLC or inc (whichever is feasible) and sponsor my wife for H1 and greencard?

I know its kind of confusing, but would appreciate if you can try and explore this.

Thanks a lot!

Hello:

I cannot get to the excel sheet or a website, my company firewall is blocking it. Please post all email addresses.

This is a great idea and all members of IV should send it. Please pass it to your friends to send the same.

IV Press release

http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html

If you join Microsoft , you might get less salary but they pay your insurance 100%. Is microsoft selling insurance to you?? its just a benefit/perk being an employee of microsoft.

same thing here too... pre-approved labor is just a perk/benefit offered by employer to hire you with less salary. so if you think you sacrificed your salary to get to cut the line for getting GC then you are thinking right.if not please stop thinking like socialist.

It all about money and business brother.

http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal (http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal)


Guys, we are all computer friendly unlike our previous generation,lets use the internet to the fullest.

Please dig the link so ppl understand the scenario and making the news sensational but true helps!! Please add your comments to the blog ,hopefully,not 2 frustrated :)

pls check...

Azhar visited your post and joined congress.. he is contesting from Hyderabad...

what have you done gcdreamer05 :D

can you wish all of us quick GCs too.. looks like your dreams are powerful !!!


If Imran khan has come in to politics why not Azharuddin ?

dear Bestia, I don't recall anyone calling the situation you described racism. I for one said it's human nature's favorism and, like it or not, it does jeopordize diversity, so you will have a hard time convincing US to let go something it wants for the sake of something else just because it's better for you.
Please note that I did not start this discussion and I hate it as much as you, but the ones who started it did so by repeatedly saying that the disproportionate indian chinese lines here are mainly because they are 1- better and brighter than the rest of us 2- more marketable than us 3- more educated than us 4- all of the above
can't you see the blatant racism in these explanations and my right as an ROW to be offended by them? I never intended to run down the indians and chinese when i say that no these are not the reasons, we all have equal skills and that the real reasons are the higher population of india and china and the skewed methods of bodyshops..
i'll stop responding to the other idiot who has nothing but insults and conspiracy theories instead of real arguments, someone doesn't realize that 90% of IV members did not attend the rally, yes throw that in their faces and ask them to leave whenever you run out of idiotic arguments. really pathetic!
You are a racist b* who just thinks about yourself and you have been planted here by other camp. U must have come out of some gutter country where democracy has no meaning and you don't know meaning of majority. You are favoring an agenda because it is good for you today. get the hell of this website. You don't belong here you racist bigot. May be we will need to track your ip address and throw you from here at some point of time.You hate Indians and Chinese and come back to IV where we have majority. This is not going to happen.

krish2005,

Please don�t mix up LTTE and Tamils.

The question is simple. Are tamils and sinhalese genetically the same? to me they look very similar.
If Yes, why
- sinhalese were violent against tamils in 20th century
- tamils want to secede based on language, religion and social-culture ?
If No, give supporting evidence that they are not.

Clearly Both groups are not natives (except veddhas all seem to have immigrated at some point).

Is it all petty politics, external-profiteers and power mongers in play ?

external-profiteers: I heard a small city state indirectly benefited in SL�s 80�s from the civilwar was afraid Colombo will complete with them.

If we are trying to quote facts here then myths also come into play.

To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

Dear Dilip,
Thank you for your kind words and analysis. But I am sure you will agree to the fact that bad apples are everywhere. You were qualified - good for you! Unfortunately, we are sailing in a boat that has good and not so good people. I can quote examples where I have not only come across dishonest indians but dishonest people from every nationalitly that you know of. I have been in the field for over 13 years (not a techie) and believe me my job puts me infront of all kinds of people. Now coming to the point - we are all here to find a solution to a bigger problem - retrogression and mr. op's decree that we will have to wait for decades before we can see that 485 approval. Well, I disagree and have a gut feeling that something is wrong somewhere. Its not a clear picture. I am optimistic about the fact that if we wish, we can still have people in the government at least look at our case. There is a lot of work to be done and we need help from people like you in doing so. We need intelligent people like you to advice, suggest and generate optimism and not derail us by letting us know that Indians are dishonest, not qualified etc. We all already know that!

That does not serve our purpose to be here. Thank you for reading my posting.

I am finally moving to canada in 2-3 months. Deadline for landing is March 3rd 2007.

I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.

Try to get a job offer, before you move into Canada.

I think TN visa is only for Canadian and Mexican citizens and not for Canadian Permanent Residents .....

Can someone confirm that.... ?


Yes, TN is only for canadian citizens.

If I am in the fourth/fifth year of my CA PR when I decide to go to CA, will I be allowed at least in the country.

Another question was if I am in my 4th/5th year and know that it might take me another year before I go to CA, can I apply for CA PR again, even when I already have my CA PR OR if I apply for my CA PR immediately after my current CA PR expires, would I get it again (assuming I have the necessary points)

Thanks again to everyone who tries to shed some light.

All I'm saying is, there's good and bad everywhere, and Canada, always rates highly.

Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)

In the end, as you say, it's all objective.

And who rates Canada highly? That requires a different forum for debating but I am just giving you the hint that it is international scam to rate it high.. That is the subject of politics and we would not start debating that at least on this forum..

I remeber how brutal Imran used to be to Indian openers with his deadly in-swinger. Those were days of good cricket ... a classy cricket. Outside cricket Imran still commands respect for being honorable and honest person.

On other hand our Azhar is one of those who will sell his own mother for money. A disgrace to cricket world. Comparing him to Imran is like comparing Lion in Jungle to a Hyenna ( no disrespect to reading Hyenna).

Few years back bunch of cricketers originating from AP here in MI sponsored him and his wife to visit here. I was invited by come and shake hand and photograph with this bookie and his beautiful wife. Majority of people having self-respect politely rejected the invitation. Now I hear he is trying to become bookie in New Delhi. Good Luck!

Well said !

He has mistrusted us. I do remember throwing his wiket by giving simple catch on mid-on/off and getting run out others ! When CBI raided his home, they found 3 -4 crore of watches in his jwell box. Wonder how much money he might have made with working top bookies ? He/Sanjay Dutt and other like them know that it might come back anytime so they are getting prepared politically.

Again, MERA BHARAT MAHAAN !